Prayer: A Conversation with God “Discipleship: The Simplicity and Purity of Devotion” – Chapter 3

Chapter three of “Discipleship: The Simplicity and Purity of Devotion”, on prayer as an honest, ongoing conversation with God — how to pray, how to listen for His voice, and what to do when He seems silent.

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Talking to God Privately


When you’re new to the faith, the concept of praying can seem odd. You may feel like you’re talking to the air, instead of … well … someone you may not have even believed in that long ago. Or, God can seem too big to care about anything you have to say. Perhaps you feel like He knows it all anyway, so why bother, right? Maybe you were part of a religion where the loudest and most repetitive one would get a god’s attention. Maybe you’ve seen someone make prayer out to be a show and that left a bad taste in your mouth … but … you aren’t sure what else to do either. Jesus, knowing that all of this would be a struggle, had this to say about prayer:

Prayer isn’t some magic formula you have to “get just right.” It also isn’t an empty religious duty to check off a list. Remember, Christianity is about your relationship with God. So, think about your closest relationships for a moment. How did they become close? It wasn’t through formal speeches or carefully scripted interactions. No. It was through talking. Sometimes about big things, sometimes about nothing in particular. You shared your day. You asked questions. You listened. You laughed. You were honest when things hurt. In its simplest form, the same goes for prayer.

King David, known widely as “a man after God’s own heart” (), shows us what honest prayer really looks like throughout the book of Psalms. His prayers weren’t polished or sanitized. They were raw, vulnerable, and sometimes desperate. He repeatedly poured out everything: his fear, his anger, his confusion, his grief. We must do the same.

When things are tough, some people may say to you, “All you can do is pray.” But prayer is an opportunity to incline the ear of the Sovereign King and Creator of the Universe, and also your Daddy (). So, it’s not “all we can do,” but it’s the greatest privilege anyone could ask for! Whether you do it silently () or aloud (), He’s eager to listen.

Praying Publicly


For many, the Lord’s Prayer is the first prayer they heard or learned. It’s beautiful and powerful, but it isn’t meant to be the one-and-only script we must recite forever. In Luke’s account of the Lord’s Prayer (), he shows that it’s Jesus’ response to the disciples’ question of how to pray, not what to pray. This is further demonstrated by the fact that Jesus and the disciples obviously prayed other words in other moments.

It’s a model prayer that gives you a healthy framework, not a restrictive cage, nor a magic incantation. It has the kinds of things that should belong in prayer: worship, surrender, dependence, honesty, pleas for God’s mercy, and praise.

So, you may be asking why I put this in a section called “Praying Publicly.” While it isn’t explicitly called out as being a public prayer, I believe it follows a public prayer pattern, more so than a personal one. First of all, it’s collective in nature, with plural phrases like “our Father,” “give us,”, “as we forgive”, etc. Also, it contains no personal confession, circumstances, grief, joy, fear, or thanksgiving. These elements dominate private prayers throughout Scripture, like Hezekiah in and even Jesus in Gethsemane in . Whether or not you believe that the Lord’s Prayer is intended for public prayer or not, praying publicly is different than personal prayer.

Whether you’re in a living room with a friend, in a small group, or you’re in front of a large church, the goal of public prayer isn’t eloquence, but agreement and alignment (). Avoid preaching at people under the cover of prayer, and don’t perform for the room.

Instead, you may need to couple internal prayer with public prayer. This private prayer can happen before the public prayer or even during it as well. As hard as it is, allow for spaces of silence in these moments, so that the Holy Spirit can guide you in what to say (). The most important thing you can do is simply share whatever God puts on your heart to pray aloud, so that the others there can join their hearts to it too ().

Types of Prayer


I realize that saying “just talk” isn’t helpful for some people. So, this section lists out various types of prayer, what they look like, and examples of when to include them. This list shouldn’t be considered an exhaustive list by any means, but hopefully it proves helpful in your journey.

  • Praise / Adoration / Worship: Rejoicing in who God is ().
  • Thanksgiving / Gratitude: Naming the good things God has done and letting that dethrone entitlement ().
  • Confession: Honest agreement with God about your sin, requesting His healing and victory ().
  • Surrender / Submission: Yielding to God’s will and wisdom ().
  • Petition / Supplication: Urgent plea arising from lack, need, or distress; such as help, wisdom, food ().
  • Intercession: Asking on behalf of others’ needs ().
  • Lament: Sharing your griefs with God ().
  • Listening / Contemplation: Quiet attentiveness, letting God set the agenda ().
  • Blessing: Asking for God’s good favor over people, especially ones starting a new era or journey ().
  • Spiritual Warfare: Resisting evil, standing in truth, praying protection ().

Your prayer time—publicly or privately—will likely cover more than one of these in a single prayer session. You may even find yourself in seasons where you’re centered around one or two of these types of prayer more than others.

For example, one time, God told me that “life is found in praise and thanksgiving.” So, I made sure to include more of those in my prayers for a while. There were other times when all I could do was lament and petition, because of dark situations in my life.

Many times, when I was stepping into a potentially confrontational situation, I’ve felt the need to pave the way with extended periods of prayer, submitting myself to His will, His words, His tone, and His timing … instead of my own. Occasionally, God puts someone random on my heart, leading to intercession. Even if I don’t know what their needs are, He does!

There have been plenty of times where He’s woken me up in the early morning. Instead of just assuming I needed to try falling back asleep, I realized that He was calling me to spend that time in prayer. This has even happened daily for a couple of weeks in a row. He was faithful to give me energy for the sleep I’d lost, and I gained much more than a nap … but an encounter.

Praying in Tongues


Up to this point, we’ve talked about prayer being the act of honestly sharing your heart with God. We’ve also talked about praying in step with what God desires, as He leads us. These are examples of “praying in the spirit,” as the ultimate goal is connecting our spirit with The Holy Spirit, not simply trying to persuade Him to do what we want. This kind of prayer “builds us up,” especially when faith feels thin. It’s about letting God fill what’s empty, steady what’s shaken, and form us as children who trust their Father, even when answers take time.

But, there are times when words can’t express what needs to be said. The Holy Spirit can pray this way for us. We can find ourselves in a place where our only prayer is, “God, I don’t have words for this, but you do …”

Not everyone agrees with this, but many Christians believe that The Holy Spirit can do this through us instead of just for us, because He is inside of us (). This isn’t a requirement for salvation, as some preach, but it’s an expression of unison.

So, we must be careful not to conflate “praying in the spirit” with “praying in tongues.” They overlap, but they aren’t identical. Praying in the Spirit is the category and tongues can be one expression. Scripture never says only tongues are praying in the spirit, nor does it say praying in the spirit must always involve tongues.

Because prayer is about spiritual connection, it’s why we’re instructed to pray in the spirit at all times (). But the spirit can be combined with the mind as well, through language you understand. The mind and spirit aren’t mutually exclusive, as this is what Jesus meant when He said we must worship Him in spirit and truth. It can be one or the other, but it also can be both.

Fasting with Prayer


Biblical fasting is defined as abstaining from something—usually from food and sometimes also water—for a period of time and dedicating that time to prayer. Some people treat it like it’s an antiquated religious act, others view it like a toddler holding their breath until the Parent gives in to the child’s will (i.e., an immature attempt to force God’s hand), and others do it to appear more spiritual. If any of those are your perspective, don’t do it, as you’re just making yourself hungry for no reason. But, please reconsider it with a different viewpoint.

In , right after giving the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus talked about fasting. He rebuked those who were doing it just as a show. But twice, back-to-back, He said, “when you fast” (), not “if” or “why bother.” Instead, like for prayer, He encouraged people to keep fasting as a private matter between you and God.

Later, in , the Pharisees (religious leaders of that time) questioned why Jesus’ disciples didn’t fast. Jesus replied by stating that it didn’t make sense for them to fast as long as He was right there with Him, but once He returned to Heaven, “then” they will fast. These passages show that it’s still relevant today, and they also hint at it being about increasing our spiritual connection with God.

“Firsts” are often very important in the Bible. Looking back much further in history, the first mention of the act of fasting in the Bible is when God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, after Moses had spent significant time alone with God in the wilderness of the mountain. This fast wasn’t demanded by God, but an act of worship by Moses as a response to experiencing a sacred moment.

In , a religious leader mentioned fasting twice a week, which was based on a tradition from Jewish Second Temple customs that called back to this event. Although not explicit in Scripture, some believe that Moses went up the mountain on a Monday (the first day they fast) and came back down on a Thursday (the second day they fast). By the time of Jesus’ earthly ministry, this practice of fasting twice a week had often been reduced to a self-righteous act for those seeking attention. This routine by the religious is also likely why the Pharisees questioned the disciples’ lack of fasting mentioned above. But, God’s never interested in self-exalting fasts.

Seventy years?!? That’s a lifetime of doing something you thought God would like, just to find out it’s a waste of time. No thanks! But, the problem wasn’t the fasting itself, it’s that they weren’t actually fasting for God, but for tradition. He goes on to accuse them of also eating and drinking for themselves too. In other words, whether you’re fasting or eating, everything you do should be for God, or it’s a waste of time ().

Another “first” is the first mention of the word “fasting” in the Bible, which still wasn’t a commandment. This time it came during a civil war between the Benjamites and the rest of Israel. Despite outnumbering them nearly eighteen-to-one, the Israelites were losing … badly. When the Israelites sought God with tears, He told them to keep fighting. After that, tens of thousands of Israel’s most experienced soldiers died each day and there was still no sign of victory in sight.

I’m sure the Israelites had to be questioning whether they’d heard God correctly, because you’re not supposed to be unsuccessful when you’re seeking and being obedient to God, right? I mean, that sounds good, but even for the apostles, with the indwelling of The Holy Spirit after Jesus’ resurrection, they were beaten and imprisoned for doing God’s will ().

Focusing back on Israel’s civil war, they continued to lose. So, they sought God yet again, but this time with prayer and fasting.

After Israel’s fasting mentioned above, God guaranteed that they would be victorious against the Benjamites. But, it wasn’t because of their fasting. No. As stated earlier, fasting doesn’t force God’s hand. Rather, it positioned the people in humility and dependence while God carried out His own purposes in His own time.

This principle is clearly seen in the time that David fasted while pleading with God to rescue his child from a deadly illness. This seems like an honorable reason to fast, but the problem is that this was the illegitimate child from his adulterous relationship with a married woman named Bathsheba. Not only that, but God had already declared that the child would die.

This is a difficult passage, but what can we learn from this? First of all, prayer and fasting isn’t a guarantee of results, because God is sovereign (i.e., He has supreme authority and power to always do as He wants). Second, a changed heart doesn’t reverse the consequences of sin, but it does lead to forgiveness from them (). Third, fasting usually ends when the answer comes from God, even if it isn’t the answer you believed for and asked for. The point of fasting is to humble ourselves and seek what we truly need from God, instead of trying to do things by our own power.

So, whenever you fast, do it for the right motives (e.g., connection, clarity, dependence, etc.), but keep it private. Here are a few fasting tips you may find helpful. First of all, fast because God is leading you to do so. Abstain from whatever He asks, and for however long He asks. Depending on your health condition, this may require consulting your doctor or choosing a non-food or specific food fasting option (e.g., social media, TV, sugar, caffeine, etc.). Whenever you would normally do whatever you’re abstaining from, pray. Whenever you’re craving whatever you’re abstaining from, pray. If you accidentally break your fast, check in with God to see if He’s wanting you to continue with it or not.

Being with God


The point of prayer isn’t to “prove that you’re spiritual.” No. Like reading the Bible or praising God through song, prayer is an invitation to encounter Him. And yet, many times when talking with people about prayer, they’re bewildered to hear about someone spending more than five minutes in prayer, often stating they’re not even sure what to do after that long. I think it’s largely due to that “tug” to be doing something, instead of just being with God.

Martha wasn’t doing something evil. In fact, Luke even points out that she was welcoming Jesus and His disciples, hosting, and making sure they had food. And yet, Luke said she was “distracted.” Ouch! Imagine having someone come visit your house and people just describe you as being busy and distracted the whole time.

Meanwhile, Mary’s posture was offensively simple. She just sat at Jesus’ feet … listening to Him. No performance. No frantic scanning of what could make the experience better. Just … being. Enamored by the presence of the Savior. Jesus didn’t praise Mary for accomplishments, but for her choosing to be present with Him. Jesus said that this is the only thing we need to be concerned about. Jesus’ reply showed just how sacred it was for Mary to give her undivided attention to Him by essentially scolding Martha, saying that this precious moment will NOT be taken from her.

While He may not be physically sitting in the room with you right now, we have the same opportunity with prayer to share in a precious and sacred encounter with Him. If we’re mentally stuck in a “doing” mode, we must slow down, and quiet that inner Martha, but without shaming her. We must not forget that “Jesus loved Martha” as well (). So, tell God that you need His help to get past the discomfort of being “unproductive” for a while in order to meet with Him. Then, sit there quietly welcoming Him. This may feel awkward at first, but it’s often where the real encounter begins.

Ironically, stepping away from the busyness of serving to spend time with God prepares you to serve Him better. You become less resentful, less busy, and less distracted by the unfairness of “being the only one serving Him.” It refocuses you on Him, refreshes your spirit, and reinvigorates you.

Hearing from God


You may have noticed that I’ve assumed the position of being able to hear from God. But, not everyone agrees that God still speaks to us, holding the perspective that those who think they heard from God are deceived or even crazy. They say that we have the Bible, and therefore nothing else needs to be said. They also say that we have the Holy Spirit, but He only guides with inklings and reminders of the words we’ve read in the Bible.

While it is true that He can work in those ways, my problem with that viewpoint is that the entire Bible, front to back, constantly talks about hearing and obeying God’s voice. So, while God has spoken in the past and made sure that we collected enough in writing in order to be able to recognize His heart behind it all, we must remember that He never changes ().

In fact, Jesus even said that hearing and recognizing His voice is a sign that you belong to Him:

There’s a simple, but beautiful pattern in Scripture, where God speaks (sometimes through an angel), and the first thing people say back is, “Here I am.” This happened with Abraham (), Jacob (; ), Moses (), and even in the New Testament with Ananias (). My favorite though, is when Samuel did this as a young boy.

This happened during one of those extended periods of time when God wasn’t speaking to Israel, because they were rebelliously refusing to listen (). But, Samuel only cared about being close to God.

Samuel wasn’t seeking an experience, he was seeking more of God Himself. This passage models child-like faith, which Scripture explicitly says God honors (). Samuel’s response is simple, humble, expectant, and demonstrates his readiness to listen. God still honors this posture today, although often speaking inwardly to your spirit rather than audibly to your physical ears.

However, hearing God in your spirit can be difficult, because both the spirit and the mind communicate internally, unlike physical hearing which is external and distinct. Thoughts, impressions, convictions, and promptings share similar “channels.” Not to mention demonic forces, which are spirit beings that communicate in the spirit. All of this makes discernment necessary.

Hearing God isn’t just about desire for an answer, or even craving His voice. It’s more about aligning your heart with His, so that you can get in unison with Him. The answers you need will come in His timing, often in the very moment they are needed. In the meantime, be faithful in the small steps, and you will be entrusted with more ().

Logos vs Rhema


An essential part of prayer is understanding the direction of flow and authority. Some people take God’s word as if it’s some sort of “law” that God must adhere Himself to, thinking that you must “remind Him of what He said His Kingdom rules are” so that He will live by them. When in reality, it’s the other way around. He establishes Kingdom laws based on who He is, not who He should be.

In the New Testament, there are two Greek terms translated as “word” in English. “Logos” (LAW-goss) refers to words in general, but also a broader message for a wider audience. It’s used for God’s revealed message, His written truth, and even as a title for Jesus Himself. Whereas, “rhema” (RAY-mah) points to a spoken word—something said into a specific moment—at times even describing God speaking directly and personally into someone’s life, usually during personal prayer time.

Think of it this way: one is like a public announcement everyone can hear (logos), while the other is a personal word spoken directly to you (rhema). This matters because some believers treat Scripture like a magical mantra, reciting verses as if believing them hard enough and speaking them aloud will automatically make them come true. But, trying to “manifest” outcomes by declaring words into the universe borrows more from secular spirituality than Christian faith.

Instead, God breathes life into His word as He speaks them over you personally. Scripture is His revealed truth, but it must be applied by Him to our lives. This is why faith is called “the gift of God” (). It’s not something we muster up, but it is spoken to us and over us.

You’ve probably heard the phrase that “with God, all things are possible.” This is a reference to the conversation between Jesus’ mother, Mary, and the angel Gabriel, when he told her she would birth the Messiah, despite being a virgin.

When this says “nothing,” it’s literally “no rhema.” Or, as the WEB translation puts it, “nothing spoken by God is impossible.” Does this mean that every Christian can claim a virgin birth? Of course not. God spoke it over her through His angel.

When Jesus told Simon Peter to let down his nets to catch some fish, he wearily replied, “by your word [rhema], I’ll let down the nets again” (). Peter brought in such a haul, that it broke his nets and almost sank the boat. It’d be nice to be able to catch a bunch of fish that easily whenever you want, but again, God must speak it over you. And if He does, be prepared to buy new fishing gear afterwards!

This “rhema” usually happens when you’re praying or reading your Bible. God either says something specific to you or breathes new and personalized life into His written words. It won’t ever contradict Scripture, but sometimes it may not be the main point of the passage that backs them. As stated in a previous section, this is why we must “test” the message to see if it’s from God ().

Alive! Not only does this mean that His words bring life to those who hear it, but, like any living thing, it also means that they adapt in response to their environment. God’s words have many layers of truth, so He can use the same words in multiple ways to reveal different layers of His glory in various situations. He can speak a passage over individuals in seemingly unrelated situations for different purposes now, and yet this same passage can be ultimately fulfilled in eternity for all believers.

Powerful. The Greek word for “powerful” means “energetic, active, working.” This doesn’t give us artistic license to manipulate His words to suit our desires. That’s what Satan does! God interprets His word, not us (). In fact, the Bible outright condemns a self-driven interpretation (). It must come from Him, because He is the source of that power, through the Holy Spirit.

Creating an Ishmael


If God has spoken something over you, one of the greatest dangers can be to “force fulfillment” of it in your own timing. This is most clearly seen when Abram (later known as Abraham) took matters into his own hand to “fulfill God’s promise for Him” to have a son.

Instead of continuing to wait for God to fulfill the promise, he slept with his wife’s handmaid. In Abraham’s defense, it’d been 10 years since God gave Him the promise and it hadn’t worked out yet with his wife. And technically God gave him the promise, not his wife Sarai (later known as Sarah), plus this was her idea. So, it makes sense, right? I mean, he wasn’t getting any younger (though he ended up having to wait a total of 25 years for the promised son to be born). But, you see, that’s where things go wrong, by choosing something that seems right ().

We can’t mess up God’s plans, but there are repercussions for operating outside of His perfect will. This pattern of “creating an Ishmael” reveals a recurring human tendency to grasp at God’s promise through human means, producing something God may permit and even bless in limited ways, but which ultimately brings conflict and sorrow. This is because it’s born of impatience, rather than trust.

When God entrusts us with a future promise during prayer, we often still settle for the free, convenient, and/or now, instead of waiting for God’s best. We fill ourselves up on lesser things and then don’t even have room when the greater things come. This is operating out of a spirit of fear instead of power (). It’s a slave or survivor mindset and not that of a child ().

We try to fill ourselves with things that bring some level of joy, or even just stave off some of the pain. But we are like sieves, so the satisfaction of momentary pleasure always leaks out, leaving us empty, sometimes even emptier than before. Nothing will ever be enough (). Not only is it a waste of time, but it short circuits our experience and we can miss out on a greater manifestation of His glory in our lives.

When God Seems Silent


Since it’s all about relationship and connection, then why does it feel like He doesn’t speak to us sometimes?

This may seem obvious, but it can be because we simply aren’t talking with Him. Sure, we may be throwing an empty or rote prayer His way, but are we seeking actual connection? Are we sticking around for an encounter? I mentioned this in the previous sections, but it’s worth restating. We must dedicate time and attention to pursuing Him, getting away from all the distractions and noise of daily life. Even Jesus had to routinely do this!

Sometimes we’ll carve out the time to get away and pray, but He can still seem distant. Let me be clear on this, God doesn’t ever “give us the cold shoulder,” as He isn’t petty like that. So, if we don’t hear Him, it’s not because He’s not talking. Often, He’s already spoken and we’ve refused to obey Him in that specific area. Or, it’s hard to hear him because we’ve chosen to shut Him out through some other sinful rebellion, instead of choosing intimacy with Him.

In other words, the seeming silence is because our heart isn’t in the right place to hear, due to our refusal to listen to what He wants to say and are instead looking for what we want to hear. Ask God to give you ears to hear Him, ask Him to reveal any areas of rebellion in your heart, and then actively submit everything to Him.

Psalm 42 words this beautifully through several water-based metaphors. Ultimately, it’s about aligning the depths of our unsettled souls with Him, instead of settling on shallow faith. The crescendo of this song is in verse seven, when the author compares God’s voice to waterfalls.

Why waterfalls? Because, like a waterfall pouring into a pool below, the infinite God’s unending waterfall of grace and love () speaking over our hearts is the only thing that can traverse our soul’s deepest depths, even if it must smack us sometimes to get our attention.

Also, hearing God’s voice is like the sound of a waterfall. He never gives up on talking to us, but His voice can seem like the low rumbling of a waterfall in the distance, barely distinguishable from a light breeze blowing through leaves. As you get closer and closer to Him, though, His voice can become loud enough to drown out the sounds of the rest of the world. Without this extra pursuit of closeness, we can miss out on the deeper conversations we could’ve had with Him. Conversations that may have saved time and shielded us from unnecessary pain along the way.

Sometimes we interpret “not getting what we want” as being silence. However, this is yet another heart issue. We must ask according to His will (), not our own.

God doesn’t want us to be dissatisfied. John Piper famously says, “God is most glorified in you, when you are most satisfied in Him.” But, that’s the key: in Him. Delighting in God Himself is the key to getting the desires of your heart (). This doesn’t mean stuff, it means more of Him! Sure, He gives us stuff too, but that’s a byproduct of a Lover doting upon the one He loves.

Ecclesiastes, which was written by King Solomon (King David’s son), is usually considered a bleak perspective. And yet even he had to say this about those that find their satisfaction in God:

So, truly seek God. Expect that He wants to talk to you. Never give up on praying, regardless of your circumstances.

Chapter Resources


I’ve learned the most about prayer by reading the book of Psalms from the Bible. The Psalms teach us how to pray by showing us what it looks like to speak to God with both reverence and raw honesty. They model prayers that wrestle, wait, confess, and praise … often all within the same breath. Rather than hiding weakness, the psalmists bring everything directly before God, trusting His character even when His plan is unclear. Sometimes even allowing prayers to abruptly end, leaving things painfully unresolved in the darkest of moments. By praying the Psalms, we learn to align our emotions, desires, and hopes with who God is, even when circumstances haven’t changed yet.

A prayer:

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